1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:01,730 hi everyone this is Martin Willis 2 00:00:08,210 --> 00:00:04,529 welcome to Podcast UFO 4 episode number 3 00:00:11,150 --> 00:00:08,220 30 today's guest is Suzanne Taylor and 4 00:00:13,100 --> 00:00:11,160 the subject is crop circles a little 5 00:00:14,660 --> 00:00:13,110 different than UFOs I'm sure you'll 6 00:00:16,010 --> 00:00:14,670 enjoy it though a couple of 7 00:00:18,170 --> 00:00:16,020 announcements you can follow us on 8 00:00:21,290 --> 00:00:18,180 twitter or you can like us on facebook 9 00:00:24,620 --> 00:00:21,300 those icons are right on our website you 10 00:00:28,009 --> 00:00:24,630 can contact me at Martin at podcast UFO 11 00:00:29,509 --> 00:00:28,019 com since I started this podcast has 12 00:00:32,930 --> 00:00:29,519 been a couple of complaints about the 13 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:32,940 intro and outro music that I have and 14 00:00:37,430 --> 00:00:34,770 then some people are writing me telling 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:37,440 me they like it but I am going to change 16 00:00:41,389 --> 00:00:39,090 it eventually you'll just have to put up 17 00:00:55,590 --> 00:00:41,399 with it for now anyway thanks for 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:02,579 I have Suzanne Taylor on skype in 19 00:01:07,109 --> 00:01:05,290 California how you doing Suzanne well hi 20 00:01:09,870 --> 00:01:07,119 Martin I'm so happy to be here I love 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:09,880 talking about crop circles yes I'm so 22 00:01:13,710 --> 00:01:11,890 glad to have you on now I know it's a 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:13,720 little bit different than UFOs this 24 00:01:19,969 --> 00:01:16,570 particular show but I think crop circles 25 00:01:22,499 --> 00:01:19,979 are fascinating there could be a tie to 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:22,509 extraterrestrials it's hard to say but 27 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:25,210 anyway what what started you in the crop 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:28,210 circle research well it's actually a 29 00:01:33,359 --> 00:01:31,210 mission of mine and that developed as I 30 00:01:37,050 --> 00:01:33,369 was interested in how the world was not 31 00:01:39,270 --> 00:01:37,060 working and how violent we are how 32 00:01:41,790 --> 00:01:39,280 abusive to each other to the earth 33 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:41,800 whatever and I was producing a lot of 34 00:01:46,889 --> 00:01:43,780 different kinds of programs that had to 35 00:01:49,050 --> 00:01:46,899 do with our consciousness basically how 36 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:49,060 would we get to a different you know 37 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:52,690 state of Rio ception and the crop 38 00:01:56,130 --> 00:01:54,729 circles just accidentally came along I 39 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:56,140 had a friend who had a son who was 40 00:02:00,359 --> 00:01:57,970 stationed in the military in England and 41 00:02:02,940 --> 00:02:00,369 on his leave he would go out and take 42 00:02:05,429 --> 00:02:02,950 pictures this was in the late 80s of 43 00:02:08,729 --> 00:02:05,439 what they were calling landing pads for 44 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:08,739 UFOs and I saw those pictures and they 45 00:02:12,990 --> 00:02:11,530 were crop circles they didn't have that 46 00:02:15,900 --> 00:02:13,000 name then they weren't name until the 47 00:02:20,060 --> 00:02:15,910 90s so I saw the pictures and I thought 48 00:02:22,949 --> 00:02:20,070 wow that's some tangible evidence of 49 00:02:25,349 --> 00:02:22,959 visitation if in fact that's what they 50 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:25,359 are and you know the UFO phenomenon 51 00:02:30,060 --> 00:02:27,850 comes and goes but look that's on the 52 00:02:32,009 --> 00:02:30,070 ground that's staying there and I 53 00:02:34,770 --> 00:02:32,019 thought well if that's true and that's 54 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:34,780 being delivered you know by some other 55 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:37,810 intelligence or coming because there is 56 00:02:42,030 --> 00:02:40,510 a intelligence and they're doing their 57 00:02:45,060 --> 00:02:42,040 whatever they're doing and there's crop 58 00:02:47,099 --> 00:02:45,070 circles as a result wow I thought that 59 00:02:49,830 --> 00:02:47,109 could really affect everybody's 60 00:02:52,650 --> 00:02:49,840 perception there wouldn't be anybody on 61 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:52,660 earth if we ascertained in fact that 62 00:02:58,380 --> 00:02:55,450 this was a UFO related kind of 63 00:03:01,440 --> 00:02:58,390 phenomenon that would change everybody's 64 00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:01,450 perception of who they who we are we 65 00:03:06,090 --> 00:03:04,449 have no real knowledge other than our 66 00:03:08,330 --> 00:03:06,100 science fiction and then 67 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:08,340 this sense that you know there is 68 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:11,050 inexplicable UFO activity but we haven't 69 00:03:16,740 --> 00:03:13,810 got the verification that there is other 70 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:16,750 intelligence and once we have that it 71 00:03:22,350 --> 00:03:19,570 changes who we are it puts us in 72 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:22,360 juxtaposition to an other nison to 73 00:03:29,310 --> 00:03:25,210 juxtapose to now right now it's just us 74 00:03:31,980 --> 00:03:29,320 at each other you know and just think 75 00:03:33,540 --> 00:03:31,990 though if you absolutely know that 76 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:33,550 there's other intelligence out there it 77 00:03:42,150 --> 00:03:37,650 immediately affects your mind about wow 78 00:03:47,340 --> 00:03:42,160 we then become one humanity all of us 79 00:03:50,390 --> 00:03:47,350 curious interested wondering so when we 80 00:03:53,310 --> 00:03:50,400 get into a one world conversation and 81 00:03:55,260 --> 00:03:53,320 engagement over what to do what is it 82 00:03:58,170 --> 00:03:55,270 and it doesn't go away it's not like 83 00:04:01,530 --> 00:03:58,180 today's news cycle oh yes they are UFO 84 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:01,540 landing pads and forgotten tomorrow it's 85 00:04:06,810 --> 00:04:04,750 with us forever and I thought oh you 86 00:04:09,870 --> 00:04:06,820 know Here I am producing all these 87 00:04:12,330 --> 00:04:09,880 programs that slowly but surely get us 88 00:04:13,890 --> 00:04:12,340 to become more aware you know and I 89 00:04:16,470 --> 00:04:13,900 thought oh my goodness this would all 90 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:16,480 over the world get everyone's attention 91 00:04:21,750 --> 00:04:18,850 and it would create a kind of new 92 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:21,760 playing field new new standing place for 93 00:04:29,910 --> 00:04:26,290 Humanity and so I pursued that interest 94 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:29,920 and I'm in Los Angeles a crossroads of 95 00:04:34,350 --> 00:04:32,110 the world where people you know 96 00:04:37,290 --> 00:04:34,360 everybody passes through Los Angeles 97 00:04:40,530 --> 00:04:37,300 including the crop circle researchers 98 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:40,540 because at the time there had started 99 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:44,410 actually in the 70s an interest in these 100 00:04:49,970 --> 00:04:47,890 whatever these things were and they were 101 00:04:53,220 --> 00:04:49,980 being tracked and they were being 102 00:04:56,510 --> 00:04:53,230 speculated about and studied material 103 00:05:00,060 --> 00:04:56,520 being taken into laboratories and so I 104 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:00,070 was snaring these researchers would they 105 00:05:04,530 --> 00:05:03,130 call themselves to do programs about 106 00:05:06,930 --> 00:05:04,540 crop circles just like I was doing 107 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:06,940 things about other categories of 108 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:11,170 self-awareness personal growth and well 109 00:05:18,020 --> 00:05:13,330 you know I just got further and further 110 00:05:19,650 --> 00:05:18,030 sold on the fact that wow this was so 111 00:05:24,660 --> 00:05:19,660 potentially important 112 00:05:26,670 --> 00:05:24,670 to you know all of us and 1993 was my 113 00:05:29,070 --> 00:05:26,680 first trip to England and then I was 114 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:29,080 really hooked you gonna stand in a crop 115 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:31,570 circle and you're never the same you 116 00:05:37,710 --> 00:05:34,960 know you stand there and you go um what 117 00:05:39,300 --> 00:05:37,720 how did this happen even during one of 118 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:39,310 the really impressive one you know the 119 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:40,750 biggest one is the size of two football 120 00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:44,770 fields I mean really so you picture that 121 00:05:50,610 --> 00:05:47,830 it has 409 separate elements in it and 122 00:05:52,230 --> 00:05:50,620 you're just in a sea of that the 123 00:05:53,910 --> 00:05:52,240 elements all happened to be circular 124 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:53,920 although that's not true of all crop 125 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:55,690 circles these days but that one is and 126 00:06:00,630 --> 00:05:57,610 you're just standing in the sea of 127 00:06:02,190 --> 00:06:00,640 circles as far as you can see at people 128 00:06:05,670 --> 00:06:02,200 to the other side of it a little dots 129 00:06:09,900 --> 00:06:05,680 you know they're tiny and you just can't 130 00:06:12,870 --> 00:06:09,910 believe the awesomeness of it so i think 131 00:06:15,030 --> 00:06:12,880 it was 1996 when i got back from England 132 00:06:17,010 --> 00:06:15,040 that summer and now I'm become part of 133 00:06:19,230 --> 00:06:17,020 the kind of community of these 134 00:06:20,730 --> 00:06:19,240 researchers interested parties they 135 00:06:22,470 --> 00:06:20,740 gather in England every year from all 136 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:22,480 over the world who write the books they 137 00:06:25,950 --> 00:06:23,890 take the pictures they produce the 138 00:06:28,620 --> 00:06:25,960 conferences there's a whole is a whole 139 00:06:31,620 --> 00:06:28,630 industry of crop circles now and so when 140 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:31,630 I got back in 1996 I made a vow I said 141 00:06:36,690 --> 00:06:33,730 you know if I'm gonna do anything with 142 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:36,700 my life that's unique and makes a really 143 00:06:41,159 --> 00:06:39,250 special contribution because I know 144 00:06:43,380 --> 00:06:41,169 something that most people don't know 145 00:06:45,030 --> 00:06:43,390 about what's going on here I'm going to 146 00:06:46,950 --> 00:06:45,040 take this on and I'm going to get it out 147 00:06:51,450 --> 00:06:46,960 to the world so that really kind of 148 00:06:54,180 --> 00:06:51,460 started my very ardent kind of producing 149 00:06:56,100 --> 00:06:54,190 energy going and took me a while to find 150 00:06:58,470 --> 00:06:56,110 a filmmaker but you know I'm the 151 00:07:00,120 --> 00:06:58,480 executive producer of the first feature 152 00:07:03,270 --> 00:07:00,130 film that ever was made about the 153 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:03,280 circles that came out in 2002 called 154 00:07:08,460 --> 00:07:05,560 crop circles quest for truth which is 155 00:07:11,130 --> 00:07:08,470 still at selling well and out there and 156 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:11,140 it's kind of like thee it's a history of 157 00:07:17,430 --> 00:07:15,370 the crop circles and it still holds 158 00:07:18,930 --> 00:07:17,440 today and in fact a lot of the people 159 00:07:21,210 --> 00:07:18,940 who are interested in the Phenom or 160 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:21,220 researching the phenomenon now where are 161 00:07:24,630 --> 00:07:23,050 those people who gather in England every 162 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:24,640 summer which it which is where the 163 00:07:30,790 --> 00:07:27,490 phenomenon has its you know most focused 164 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:30,800 kind of situation 165 00:07:38,499 --> 00:07:33,110 a lot of them came in because they saw 166 00:07:41,619 --> 00:07:38,509 that first movie and so I've just gone 167 00:07:43,779 --> 00:07:41,629 on from there you know I have got that 168 00:07:45,219 --> 00:07:43,789 first movie made i found a filmmaker and 169 00:07:48,189 --> 00:07:45,229 then i went to school watching him 170 00:07:50,260 --> 00:07:48,199 thinking because i didn't I had an idea 171 00:07:53,290 --> 00:07:50,270 really to do the passion of the circles 172 00:07:55,330 --> 00:07:53,300 not the history of them and there was a 173 00:07:57,399 --> 00:07:55,340 little bit of a jar there with a 174 00:07:59,290 --> 00:07:57,409 filmmaker who had creative control he'd 175 00:08:01,029 --> 00:07:59,300 had if he'd had an Academy Award 176 00:08:04,689 --> 00:08:01,039 nomination which gives you a lot of cash 177 00:08:07,180 --> 00:08:04,699 a lawyer yeah he did Waco that big 178 00:08:09,670 --> 00:08:07,190 documentary before Michael Moore and 179 00:08:13,149 --> 00:08:09,680 whatever it was a fifth biggest selling 180 00:08:15,399 --> 00:08:13,159 documentary ever and so he became kind 181 00:08:17,619 --> 00:08:15,409 of you know the arbiter of what the film 182 00:08:20,499 --> 00:08:17,629 would be more than the investors who 183 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:20,509 were a little bit upset that he didn't 184 00:08:24,790 --> 00:08:22,969 do the film that he gave them money to 185 00:08:26,110 --> 00:08:24,800 do but nonetheless he did the history of 186 00:08:27,659 --> 00:08:26,120 the crop circles but when it was 187 00:08:30,279 --> 00:08:27,669 finished I thought oh wait a minute 188 00:08:33,430 --> 00:08:30,289 there's the film I wanted to make and I 189 00:08:38,170 --> 00:08:33,440 started making it it I started it 190 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:38,180 actually in 2003 and my film is what on 191 00:08:42,819 --> 00:08:40,610 earth and the tagline is inside the crop 192 00:08:44,769 --> 00:08:42,829 circle mystery and I say I use that line 193 00:08:46,780 --> 00:08:44,779 and inside the crop circle mystery 194 00:08:49,030 --> 00:08:46,790 because I know all these people this is 195 00:08:51,670 --> 00:08:49,040 my world and it's not like I'm an 196 00:08:53,260 --> 00:08:51,680 outsider observing it I'm talking to the 197 00:08:55,180 --> 00:08:53,270 people I know I know who has the best 198 00:08:57,220 --> 00:08:55,190 stories I know who really knows their 199 00:08:59,170 --> 00:08:57,230 stuff I know who's worth talking to and 200 00:09:01,870 --> 00:08:59,180 that's what I'm doing in my movie so I 201 00:09:05,079 --> 00:09:01,880 tagged it inside the crop circle mystery 202 00:09:09,730 --> 00:09:05,089 and you know I'm in love with my movie I 203 00:09:11,949 --> 00:09:09,740 like the other one but I'm mine yeah one 204 00:09:14,110 --> 00:09:11,959 of the questions I always think of is I 205 00:09:15,610 --> 00:09:14,120 know that there are some people out 206 00:09:18,189 --> 00:09:15,620 there they're actually making crop 207 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:18,199 circles and then there's the unexplained 208 00:09:25,750 --> 00:09:20,510 ones can you talk a little bit about 209 00:09:27,460 --> 00:09:25,760 that yes yes yes the homesers oh dear 210 00:09:30,130 --> 00:09:27,470 they're the terrorists of the crop 211 00:09:31,689 --> 00:09:30,140 circle world I tell you I mean that or I 212 00:09:34,689 --> 00:09:31,699 don't know maybe that's too strong an 213 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:34,699 analogy but they are very troublesome 214 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:39,170 and they're tricksters is actually too 215 00:09:44,290 --> 00:09:41,410 nice a word that's kind of a sweet word 216 00:09:48,690 --> 00:09:44,300 they're vicious actually 217 00:09:52,060 --> 00:09:48,700 and they are copying the real thing and 218 00:09:55,540 --> 00:09:52,070 trying to confuse everyone into thinking 219 00:09:58,300 --> 00:09:55,550 that the ones that they make are made by 220 00:10:00,880 --> 00:09:58,310 the mysterious source and they've gotten 221 00:10:03,310 --> 00:10:00,890 better and better at it over the years I 222 00:10:06,970 --> 00:10:03,320 mean the first instance where that 223 00:10:11,170 --> 00:10:06,980 Specter raised its head was in early on 224 00:10:15,930 --> 00:10:11,180 in 2001 like to remember my years here 225 00:10:22,660 --> 00:10:19,810 different there were different circles 226 00:10:24,970 --> 00:10:22,670 than than we'd ever had before prior to 227 00:10:27,820 --> 00:10:24,980 that they had been rather simple they've 228 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:27,830 been all circular elements in them were 229 00:10:32,980 --> 00:10:30,560 circular like a circle surrounded by a 230 00:10:34,810 --> 00:10:32,990 ring or several rings together or 231 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:34,820 circles together surrounded by rings 232 00:10:43,270 --> 00:10:38,810 whatever but in 1990 the pattern broke 233 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:43,280 and we got this spectacular actually 234 00:10:47,250 --> 00:10:44,810 it's on the cover of what on earth my 235 00:10:51,130 --> 00:10:47,260 DVD because it was such a turning point 236 00:10:54,370 --> 00:10:51,140 where the phenomenon broke out into a 237 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:54,380 whole other design pattern then 1991 we 238 00:11:01,540 --> 00:10:57,410 had two spectacular early ones that 239 00:11:03,070 --> 00:11:01,550 still our state of the art at Barbara 240 00:11:05,410 --> 00:11:03,080 castle is what one of them is called 241 00:11:07,540 --> 00:11:05,420 triangular shape and the other one is 242 00:11:10,930 --> 00:11:07,550 called the mondal but Mandelbrot set and 243 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:10,940 that is the fundamental pattern from 244 00:11:15,730 --> 00:11:13,970 which fractals emerge and then at the 245 00:11:17,530 --> 00:11:15,740 end of that season all of a sudden these 246 00:11:20,020 --> 00:11:17,540 two guys came along and they're still 247 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:20,030 world famous you might say I mean still 248 00:11:23,380 --> 00:11:21,530 you run into people on the street and 249 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:23,390 you say crop circles and they say oh 250 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:25,370 those two guys made them all Doug and 251 00:11:30,610 --> 00:11:27,650 Dave they are not affectionately 252 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:30,620 referred to and they said they'd made 253 00:11:34,390 --> 00:11:32,690 them all and we do a lot about that in 254 00:11:36,790 --> 00:11:34,400 my movie because the claim is so 255 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:36,800 ridiculous and you know I will do 256 00:11:40,570 --> 00:11:38,510 spoilers here and tell you about the 257 00:11:42,910 --> 00:11:40,580 government involvement over there or 258 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:42,920 whatever but anyway it was a ridiculous 259 00:11:47,980 --> 00:11:45,890 claim but the world it made the world 260 00:11:49,660 --> 00:11:47,990 press and when you think about it these 261 00:11:52,690 --> 00:11:49,670 are two farmers from the middle of 262 00:11:54,460 --> 00:11:52,700 nowhere they're not significant they're 263 00:11:56,900 --> 00:11:54,470 not important they're not anything and 264 00:11:59,240 --> 00:11:56,910 it makes they get a press release 265 00:12:00,950 --> 00:11:59,250 that makes the world press it's on the 266 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:00,960 inner because before that this was a 267 00:12:05,780 --> 00:12:03,810 fascinating subject the world was really 268 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:05,790 interested in what might be going on and 269 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:07,890 after these two guys said no we made 270 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:10,110 them all the world dumped it they just 271 00:12:14,300 --> 00:12:12,570 didn't care anymore it was solved and we 272 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:14,310 talked about that too you know how 273 00:12:18,890 --> 00:12:16,170 difficult it is really when you get 274 00:12:21,140 --> 00:12:18,900 serious about other pneus for the mind 275 00:12:23,390 --> 00:12:21,150 to embrace it even though abstractly oh 276 00:12:25,730 --> 00:12:23,400 yeah most people now believe there's a 277 00:12:30,980 --> 00:12:25,740 life and elsewhere in this universe is 278 00:12:32,420 --> 00:12:30,990 so I mean beyond the beyond vest and the 279 00:12:33,860 --> 00:12:32,430 likelihood is that there's life 280 00:12:35,330 --> 00:12:33,870 elsewhere and everybody believes that 281 00:12:39,740 --> 00:12:35,340 well pretty much everybody believes that 282 00:12:41,630 --> 00:12:39,750 I mean you can't believe ugh of life 283 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:41,640 fell so you don't know for sure but 284 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:45,810 agree yeah but but when you come down to 285 00:12:51,170 --> 00:12:48,510 it being in your face oh that's another 286 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:51,180 thing you know then you then it's like 287 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:52,740 well wait a minute then you get very 288 00:13:00,890 --> 00:12:56,730 skeptical very critical or whatever so 289 00:13:02,750 --> 00:13:00,900 and when you get a solution somebody 290 00:13:06,530 --> 00:13:02,760 says oh that's the way that worked 291 00:13:09,350 --> 00:13:06,540 people made that or the government you 292 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:09,360 know did it or it's not other nas's no 293 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:11,370 other innocent it's such a relief to 294 00:13:15,380 --> 00:13:13,170 people that they don't really have to 295 00:13:17,450 --> 00:13:15,390 deal with that because it's it's a real 296 00:13:20,180 --> 00:13:17,460 deal I mean you have to really rethink 297 00:13:22,730 --> 00:13:20,190 reality and not to mention the power 298 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:22,740 structure has to rethink itself a great 299 00:13:25,940 --> 00:13:24,330 challenge of the power structure if 300 00:13:29,380 --> 00:13:25,950 we're not the Big Cheese in the universe 301 00:13:32,260 --> 00:13:29,390 and something else is visiting us so 302 00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:32,270 people just just in the minute you get a 303 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:36,480 place to kind of lay or your what 304 00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:39,690 concern oh yeah okay it's explained we 305 00:13:42,830 --> 00:13:40,920 don't have to think about that anymore 306 00:13:45,590 --> 00:13:42,840 and you take a really ridiculous 307 00:13:49,490 --> 00:13:45,600 rationale and you accept it and that's 308 00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:49,500 what happened with Doug and Dave the 309 00:13:54,590 --> 00:13:51,360 world kind of lost interest and ever 310 00:13:56,630 --> 00:13:54,600 since then well it you know that 311 00:13:58,850 --> 00:13:56,640 beautiful new things arrived there more 312 00:14:00,710 --> 00:13:58,860 beautiful all the time they're more and 313 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:00,720 more and more evidence comes in that 314 00:14:05,900 --> 00:14:02,730 we're not making them so the thing is 315 00:14:09,050 --> 00:14:05,910 quite alive but at the same time this 316 00:14:09,890 --> 00:14:09,060 hoaxing thing keeps it damp down because 317 00:14:13,010 --> 00:14:09,900 again it gives 318 00:14:15,530 --> 00:14:13,020 to a place to park there what concern oh 319 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:15,540 yeah hoaxers make them all right right 320 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:17,910 well wait a minute how about looking at 321 00:14:23,540 --> 00:14:21,120 the evidence you know I'm not a patsy I 322 00:14:25,610 --> 00:14:23,550 don't you know fall for some idiotic 323 00:14:29,150 --> 00:14:25,620 line because I love to believe in 324 00:14:31,550 --> 00:14:29,160 extraterrestrials no no I'm I'm a very 325 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:31,560 kind of scientifically oriented person 326 00:14:35,690 --> 00:14:33,930 although I know there's a lot outside 327 00:14:37,460 --> 00:14:35,700 the realm of science that we need to 328 00:14:41,180 --> 00:14:37,470 incorporate in our worldview that 329 00:14:42,530 --> 00:14:41,190 science is controlling us now and we you 330 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:42,540 know there's a lot to be said about that 331 00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:45,060 but nonetheless I'm not an easy pushover 332 00:14:50,690 --> 00:14:48,000 but when you look at the evidence you go 333 00:14:52,370 --> 00:14:50,700 well wait a minute the evidence is that 334 00:14:54,140 --> 00:14:52,380 we're not making them or you know that 335 00:14:56,330 --> 00:14:54,150 there's a real phenomenon and then those 336 00:14:59,330 --> 00:14:56,340 hoaxers are just the spoilers they come 337 00:15:02,510 --> 00:14:59,340 along and confuse you and and they're so 338 00:15:06,500 --> 00:15:02,520 nasty you know whenever I show up online 339 00:15:09,860 --> 00:15:06,510 as I do many places and I'm saying 340 00:15:11,210 --> 00:15:09,870 something positive I can count on it's a 341 00:15:14,540 --> 00:15:11,220 chat you know where other people can 342 00:15:16,820 --> 00:15:14,550 post I can count on being attacked and 343 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:16,830 here's the favorite attack for me and 344 00:15:22,460 --> 00:15:18,810 anybody else who says anything positive 345 00:15:25,220 --> 00:15:22,470 online where people can respond oh you 346 00:15:27,530 --> 00:15:25,230 know they're all fake or hopes you know 347 00:15:31,070 --> 00:15:27,540 people make them all you're just in it 348 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:31,080 for the money hmm what Martin you have 349 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:33,330 to laugh if you saw this crop circle 350 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:35,310 community of people who are dedicated to 351 00:15:39,740 --> 00:15:37,530 this thing they're all scratching you 352 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:39,750 know nope he's getting rich and you're 353 00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:43,050 in it and me believe me I spent a lot 354 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:45,120 more making this movie than this movie 355 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:47,490 you do a little independent movies as 356 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:49,650 passion projects if you make money on 357 00:15:54,980 --> 00:15:51,930 them god bless but that's not why you do 358 00:15:57,770 --> 00:15:54,990 them and I have not broken even yet so 359 00:15:59,930 --> 00:15:57,780 that I'm in it for the money is you know 360 00:16:01,580 --> 00:15:59,940 quite quite a ridiculous claim but again 361 00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:01,590 that's the kind of I mean that's one of 362 00:16:07,790 --> 00:16:04,560 the sweeter things that others say you 363 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:07,800 know sometimes that there's one set of 364 00:16:12,410 --> 00:16:09,330 opinions I don't know maybe it's true 365 00:16:14,690 --> 00:16:12,420 that the real phenomenon oh the halters 366 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:14,700 say this that the real phenomenon is 367 00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:17,490 inspiring them they are the instruments 368 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:19,920 not the real phenomena but they are the 369 00:16:24,889 --> 00:16:22,170 instruments of something 370 00:16:26,780 --> 00:16:24,899 other you know they are just but they're 371 00:16:28,610 --> 00:16:26,790 there they're making them they're making 372 00:16:29,780 --> 00:16:28,620 them all but they're being guided and 373 00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:29,790 I'm thinking you know these 374 00:16:35,180 --> 00:16:32,790 reprehensible people sure God is you 375 00:16:37,790 --> 00:16:35,190 know telling them what to do or whatever 376 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:37,800 whatever runs the first you know it 377 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:40,050 doesn't add up very well okay so let's 378 00:16:44,449 --> 00:16:41,970 get back to what you said a minute ago 379 00:16:46,579 --> 00:16:44,459 the evidence can you talk about what the 380 00:16:49,490 --> 00:16:46,589 evidence yes yes I mean you know when 381 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:49,500 people ask me what is the evidence you 382 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:52,250 know what are you basing your belief on 383 00:16:58,100 --> 00:16:54,570 fundamentally well there's a lot of 384 00:17:00,379 --> 00:16:58,110 stuff you look for in the formations you 385 00:17:03,669 --> 00:17:00,389 look for particularly you look for what 386 00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:03,679 the evidence the hoaxers leave which is 387 00:17:10,130 --> 00:17:06,720 that they are they do this with boards 388 00:17:13,069 --> 00:17:10,140 and if you if your audience doesn't know 389 00:17:15,169 --> 00:17:13,079 has ever seen you know the pictures of 390 00:17:16,699 --> 00:17:15,179 how they do it we actually have it have 391 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:16,709 we've got some hoaxers in the movie 392 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:17,910 which wanted to show you what they're 393 00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:19,650 doing we've kind of got a long lens on 394 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:21,600 some of them and watching them stomp 395 00:17:27,439 --> 00:17:23,490 away so they have these three foot long 396 00:17:29,299 --> 00:17:27,449 boards and there are ropes attached to 397 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:29,309 either side of the boards that they are 398 00:17:34,130 --> 00:17:32,250 holding in their hands so that they're 399 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:34,140 holding and the board is that there and 400 00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:35,610 they've got their feet on the board a 401 00:17:39,919 --> 00:17:37,679 foot excuse me on the board and so they 402 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:39,929 advance by steps with one foot on the 403 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:42,780 board crunching the crop down well every 404 00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:45,450 place they crunch they leave a crease 405 00:17:50,030 --> 00:17:48,240 mark it's a little white mark and so the 406 00:17:53,210 --> 00:17:50,040 first thing we look for when we go into 407 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:53,220 a formation we look for three foot long 408 00:18:03,950 --> 00:17:57,530 white marks at footstep you know lengths 409 00:18:07,310 --> 00:18:03,960 and that that is probably the most 410 00:18:12,169 --> 00:18:07,320 telltale sign that we can discern with 411 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:12,179 our naked eyes but people start flocking 412 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:14,610 to these things when they arrive and the 413 00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:16,980 material gets kind of mixed up and it's 414 00:18:21,409 --> 00:18:19,919 not always evident that we've got these 415 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:21,419 thump marks and there are a couple of 416 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:23,250 other things you look for as well but 417 00:18:29,020 --> 00:18:26,250 here's the definitive evidence because 418 00:18:31,650 --> 00:18:29,030 you you know you you don't want to be 419 00:18:33,540 --> 00:18:31,660 you don't want to be told you know 420 00:18:35,700 --> 00:18:33,550 we we talked about that in the movie 421 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:35,710 also the worst thing for Americans and 422 00:18:40,110 --> 00:18:38,050 maybe it's everyone is to be conned we 423 00:18:42,540 --> 00:18:40,120 don't like to be kind so we run the 424 00:18:45,870 --> 00:18:42,550 other way when anything possibly could 425 00:18:47,490 --> 00:18:45,880 not be true you know so but when you but 426 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:47,500 but the real evidence for the crop 427 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:49,450 circles is taking the material into the 428 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:52,570 laboratory and they've taken the plant 429 00:18:57,390 --> 00:18:55,690 material they've taken the soil inside 430 00:19:01,050 --> 00:18:57,400 crop circles and they've done this with 431 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:01,060 with scientific protocols they do they 432 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:04,810 do the crop they take crop outside the 433 00:19:09,390 --> 00:19:06,850 circle they take crop inside the circles 434 00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:09,400 they're looking for comparisons and what 435 00:19:17,010 --> 00:19:11,200 they've discovered in these very 436 00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:17,020 expensive scientific experiments is that 437 00:19:21,780 --> 00:19:19,510 there are biological changes to plants 438 00:19:23,940 --> 00:19:21,790 and chemical changes to soil that 439 00:19:28,290 --> 00:19:23,950 absolutely cannot be accounted for in 440 00:19:30,450 --> 00:19:28,300 our reality and that really become and 441 00:19:32,970 --> 00:19:30,460 science being the God that we take all 442 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:32,980 of our authority from well we have the 443 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:34,930 authority of science telling us that 444 00:19:42,270 --> 00:19:37,930 these circles are exhibiting evidence of 445 00:19:44,420 --> 00:19:42,280 non-human creation and really and 446 00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:44,430 there's a wonderful website it's some 447 00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:47,440 BLT it's easy to remember because of 448 00:19:55,620 --> 00:19:49,240 bacon lettuce and tomato but it's not 449 00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,630 that BLT research calm and they have all 450 00:20:01,080 --> 00:19:57,760 of the experiments it's a fascinating 451 00:20:04,020 --> 00:20:01,090 website and those things have been 452 00:20:05,910 --> 00:20:04,030 written up and papers have been written 453 00:20:07,710 --> 00:20:05,920 on the experiments and they've been 454 00:20:10,050 --> 00:20:07,720 published in peer review science 455 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:10,060 journals that's you know the process of 456 00:20:15,090 --> 00:20:12,130 authenticating something in our world is 457 00:20:17,730 --> 00:20:15,100 science papers peer-reviewed science 458 00:20:20,340 --> 00:20:17,740 journals and that's happened with 459 00:20:22,110 --> 00:20:20,350 several of these papers so we've got the 460 00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:22,120 authentication of the way that we 461 00:20:28,770 --> 00:20:25,030 authenticate things in our world about 462 00:20:31,140 --> 00:20:28,780 the other pneus of crop circles and so 463 00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:31,150 you know all when everything else is you 464 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:32,980 know well are there the marks aren't 465 00:20:38,220 --> 00:20:34,510 there the marks are these other signs 466 00:20:40,260 --> 00:20:38,230 there aren't we know now if we could 467 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:40,270 take everyone into the laboratory we 468 00:20:43,230 --> 00:20:41,890 know which ones were hopes and which 469 00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:43,240 ones were but 470 00:20:47,970 --> 00:20:45,280 it's very expensive to do and actually 471 00:20:51,090 --> 00:20:47,980 we've lost our main Thunder who was 472 00:20:53,490 --> 00:20:51,100 laurance rockefeller from the propeller 473 00:20:55,620 --> 00:20:53,500 family fortune but he's the maverick and 474 00:20:57,770 --> 00:20:55,630 he had his own foundation you know he 475 00:21:00,270 --> 00:20:57,780 funded a lot of UFO stuff his way and 476 00:21:03,540 --> 00:21:00,280 and he funded a lot of that crop circle 477 00:21:06,660 --> 00:21:03,550 research and unfortunately you know he 478 00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:06,670 was an old man and presumably had a good 479 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:08,950 life but he left us a few years ago so 480 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:11,410 we lost our main source of funding for 481 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:13,330 experiments there and but you know you 482 00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,010 don't really mean the experiments were 483 00:21:18,570 --> 00:21:16,720 really to ascertain whether there was a 484 00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:18,580 real phenomenon you you know once you 485 00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:19,990 proved it you just don't have to keep 486 00:21:24,090 --> 00:21:22,360 proving it over and over again but I'll 487 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:24,100 tell you something else we do that in 488 00:21:28,260 --> 00:21:26,860 the United States we get very few of 489 00:21:30,419 --> 00:21:28,270 them here England is the hot spot 490 00:21:31,980 --> 00:21:30,429 they've been in about 40 other countries 491 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:31,990 and maybe more I haven't got we haven't 492 00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:33,490 got an exact count because nobody's 493 00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:35,950 keeping official records anymore we used 494 00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:37,360 to have a center but there was so much 495 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:39,760 dissension mostly caused by this hoaxing 496 00:21:43,530 --> 00:21:41,290 thing that the center dissolved and 497 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:43,540 there's no place collecting records so 498 00:21:46,590 --> 00:21:45,250 we're kind of guessing at things we 499 00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:46,600 guess that the fact that there may be 500 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:50,320 5,000 formation since the late 70s when 501 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:53,290 really started keeping track of them and 502 00:21:58,020 --> 00:21:56,110 it was a full-blown phenomenon even 503 00:22:00,419 --> 00:21:58,030 though we go back hundreds of years for 504 00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,429 little flurries of things in the press 505 00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:02,320 of the day that you can point to and say 506 00:22:05,940 --> 00:22:04,420 oh that was or perhaps circles but it 507 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:05,950 didn't catch hold with the public until 508 00:22:10,140 --> 00:22:08,170 the 70s and now we have the full blown 509 00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:10,150 phenomena all right so here in America 510 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:12,910 we have this rabid group of enthusiasts 511 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:17,530 and we do take every single one of them 512 00:22:22,140 --> 00:22:20,530 into the laboratory they'll and on 513 00:22:25,380 --> 00:22:22,150 airplanes they have a little conference 514 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:25,390 every year in Ohio in april of every 515 00:22:30,690 --> 00:22:27,940 year of the little American group that 516 00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,700 is so passionate about them and they'll 517 00:22:35,910 --> 00:22:32,559 fly on airplanes they'll take the 518 00:22:38,010 --> 00:22:35,920 material into the laboratory they've got 519 00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:38,020 simpler kind of stuff it's not as 520 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:39,520 expensive as the ones that Lauren 521 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:41,890 chocofella was funding but nonetheless 522 00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:44,830 they're valid you know scientific 523 00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:47,760 criteria for discerning the same thing 524 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:49,809 biological changes to the plants 525 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:51,730 chemical changes to the soil and we've 526 00:22:57,410 --> 00:22:53,970 had an incident here in the States 527 00:22:59,150 --> 00:22:57,420 for your state's audience and you being 528 00:23:00,860 --> 00:22:59,160 States I presume you have a large states 529 00:23:03,620 --> 00:23:00,870 audience we've had several hundred over 530 00:23:05,420 --> 00:23:03,630 the years going way back there are 531 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:05,430 records somehow that this group in the 532 00:23:11,060 --> 00:23:09,330 United States has and this one I don't 533 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:11,070 know where in Ohio but you can easily 534 00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:12,570 google it because it was a big deal 535 00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:16,440 there but interestingly enough when 536 00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:18,360 there's an incident here in the states 537 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:20,580 and as I say we don't get very many of 538 00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:23,250 them it'll make the local press the 539 00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:25,140 local press will go crazy wherever the 540 00:23:29,690 --> 00:23:28,350 incident is all you know kinds of the 541 00:23:31,550 --> 00:23:29,700 things you would expect them the press 542 00:23:33,650 --> 00:23:31,560 what's going on what's happening in 543 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:33,660 taking pictures whatever but it doesn't 544 00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:35,730 make the national press it's not 545 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:37,460 interesting enough to the national press 546 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:41,250 but that incident in Ohio tested out 547 00:23:46,580 --> 00:23:43,290 it's a it's a lovely shape it's 548 00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:46,590 beautiful and and they've analyzed how 549 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:49,500 the geometry works on it these geometric 550 00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:51,330 ones they're not all geometric but the 551 00:23:56,030 --> 00:23:53,100 ones that are geometric are very complex 552 00:23:58,220 --> 00:23:56,040 and they you know they they do analyses 553 00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,230 on them that they do on all of them in 554 00:24:02,420 --> 00:24:00,720 England they've got wonderful geometers 555 00:24:05,780 --> 00:24:02,430 over there that figure out how did they 556 00:24:10,250 --> 00:24:05,790 create the pattern and in fact it used 557 00:24:12,170 --> 00:24:10,260 to be early on that the hoaxers were 558 00:24:16,550 --> 00:24:12,180 terrible at geometry when Doug and Dave 559 00:24:18,650 --> 00:24:16,560 were asked well how do you get your 560 00:24:21,980 --> 00:24:18,660 patterns what's your relation to 561 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:21,990 geometry they said geometry they didn't 562 00:24:26,420 --> 00:24:23,610 know about that they just made pictures 563 00:24:28,670 --> 00:24:26,430 but gradually or at some point over the 564 00:24:30,620 --> 00:24:28,680 years the hoax is acquired good 565 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:30,630 geometers so they now make patterns that 566 00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,910 actually you can't put them to the bad 567 00:24:37,460 --> 00:24:35,760 pattern test the the geometry is good in 568 00:24:41,780 --> 00:24:37,470 them and this one in the state's was 569 00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:41,790 really just was beautiful and and and 570 00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:44,880 none you know accountable for that this 571 00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:47,160 is a one of the genuine mysteries it 572 00:24:54,650 --> 00:24:50,370 came in i think in november beginning of 573 00:24:56,420 --> 00:24:54,660 november maybe end of october i don't 574 00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:56,430 think so i think was something into 575 00:25:01,100 --> 00:24:58,890 november so that was really quite 576 00:25:02,810 --> 00:25:01,110 exciting here we haven't had any in the 577 00:25:04,340 --> 00:25:02,820 last few years and the you have note 578 00:25:06,259 --> 00:25:04,350 this is the first good one in the last 579 00:25:08,060 --> 00:25:06,269 few years 580 00:25:09,949 --> 00:25:08,070 prior to that we had some very good ones 581 00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:09,959 I have a montage in my phone that I call 582 00:25:15,499 --> 00:25:13,200 international circles the film is shot 583 00:25:17,389 --> 00:25:15,509 in England at the hotbed we're all the 584 00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,399 you know every summer all the people 585 00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:19,200 from all over the world gather there so 586 00:25:24,459 --> 00:25:20,940 that's where we shot the film over 587 00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:24,469 several summers we went back but they 588 00:25:29,149 --> 00:25:27,539 GRE on these is really sensational in 589 00:25:32,089 --> 00:25:29,159 fact when you ask the geometers in 590 00:25:34,369 --> 00:25:32,099 England whether they could make one as 591 00:25:38,509 --> 00:25:34,379 good as the geometry that we are getting 592 00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:38,519 now what they say is you know they're so 593 00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:41,190 clever about how they design these 594 00:25:49,940 --> 00:25:45,299 things there's how does the compass and 595 00:25:52,219 --> 00:25:49,950 the straightedge make the the lines but 596 00:25:55,549 --> 00:25:52,229 there's also what's the idea that how 597 00:25:57,919 --> 00:25:55,559 are they expressing art in wheat fields 598 00:25:59,539 --> 00:25:57,929 because let's just take fractals 599 00:26:02,329 --> 00:25:59,549 fractals is one of the main pattern 600 00:26:04,459 --> 00:26:02,339 groups I told you that mandal brought 601 00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:04,469 what they call the Mandelbrot set that 602 00:26:12,259 --> 00:26:08,159 came in in 1991 was the basic pattern 603 00:26:15,259 --> 00:26:12,269 that fractals derived from and then 1996 604 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:15,269 we had our first pattern that would have 605 00:26:21,859 --> 00:26:17,450 been a derivation from this Mandelbrot 606 00:26:25,369 --> 00:26:21,869 core pattern it was at Stonehenge they 607 00:26:28,219 --> 00:26:25,379 call it the Julia set from whatever the 608 00:26:31,419 --> 00:26:28,229 mathematical term is that refers to that 609 00:26:34,389 --> 00:26:31,429 pattern or that names that pattern and 610 00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:34,399 ever since then we keep getting 611 00:26:39,529 --> 00:26:38,159 variations of fractal patterns they 612 00:26:42,229 --> 00:26:39,539 never repeat themselves but they do 613 00:26:45,349 --> 00:26:42,239 variations but fractals are infinite 614 00:26:46,819 --> 00:26:45,359 they go on forever mm-hmm well you're in 615 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:46,829 a wheat field it's not going to go on 616 00:26:52,399 --> 00:26:49,129 forever what do you do well they very 617 00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:52,409 artfully figured out how to cap it how 618 00:26:58,190 --> 00:26:55,440 to end it and a geometry could would 619 00:27:00,489 --> 00:26:58,200 show you and they have done in various 620 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:00,499 presentations that are done how they 621 00:27:06,289 --> 00:27:04,049 translated the Infinity into a capped 622 00:27:08,479 --> 00:27:06,299 off pattern and they do it in all the 623 00:27:12,469 --> 00:27:08,489 fractals so when you ask the geometers 624 00:27:14,539 --> 00:27:12,479 there well could you design a circle 625 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:14,549 comparable to the best ones they'll say 626 00:27:19,790 --> 00:27:17,369 you know they're so clever about the 627 00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:19,800 idea that they're expressing I don't 628 00:27:25,210 --> 00:27:21,900 no that we could do that I mean they 629 00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:25,220 they're geniuses that meant you know to 630 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:29,820 creating a translation of something into 631 00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:33,330 a finite pattern or into wheat or barley 632 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:35,940 or you know those are the main canvases 633 00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:37,890 and canola those are the main campuses 634 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:41,580 in England but once they've done once I 635 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:44,370 once they cleverly designed something 636 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:47,730 that kicks off a pattern group we could 637 00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:49,530 probably do something like that but 638 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:51,000 these are the best geometers in the 639 00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:53,730 world you know so believe me the we have 640 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:55,320 even do you know Martin that we've 641 00:28:00,380 --> 00:27:57,810 gotten geometric theorems that are in 642 00:28:03,740 --> 00:28:00,390 our literature from the crop circles 643 00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:03,750 really we really really gerald hawkins 644 00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:05,430 who was the head of the Astronomy 645 00:28:10,820 --> 00:28:08,670 Department at Boston University who also 646 00:28:15,170 --> 00:28:10,830 did some fabulous work on stonehenge 647 00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,180 decoding the geometry there he was very 648 00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:18,240 turned on by the circles he's also left 649 00:28:27,050 --> 00:28:22,710 us unfortunately but he did he discern 650 00:28:30,050 --> 00:28:27,060 that they were geometric theorems from 651 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:30,060 it from a crop circle that we do not 652 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:31,890 have in our literature we haven't now 653 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:34,110 just dinner derived from the crop 654 00:28:38,030 --> 00:28:36,210 circles I mean that's how really 655 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:38,040 extraordinary the geometry is just 656 00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:39,570 another indication of how extraordinary 657 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:44,400 it is I saw a film a while back where 658 00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:46,530 there was an orb going through a field 659 00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:50,190 and there's that's a possibilities 660 00:28:55,030 --> 00:28:52,230 people have talked about that yeah 661 00:28:57,860 --> 00:28:55,040 people people are noticing orbs 662 00:29:00,320 --> 00:28:57,870 sometimes they see them and they film 663 00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:00,330 them sometimes they don't see them and 664 00:29:03,550 --> 00:29:02,100 they filmed them you know I was at a 665 00:29:06,350 --> 00:29:03,560 conference once and we were watching 666 00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:06,360 somebody's footage that was you know 667 00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:08,460 part of the presentation and all of a 668 00:29:12,980 --> 00:29:10,620 sudden the audience gasped and said look 669 00:29:15,890 --> 00:29:12,990 at that and the filmmaker hadn't seen it 670 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:15,900 it was that orb coming across a corner 671 00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:19,530 of the footage well that you know that 672 00:29:24,020 --> 00:29:22,200 was just there was no play with that 673 00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:24,030 over it was just an orb coming across 674 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:25,710 the court but we're interested in the 675 00:29:31,180 --> 00:29:27,770 orbs because there is play with them 676 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:31,190 they we show you in 677 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:34,570 i film somebody who actually saw one and 678 00:29:40,750 --> 00:29:37,730 filmed that I got his footage filmed it 679 00:29:43,620 --> 00:29:40,760 going across a field and we have 680 00:29:47,650 --> 00:29:43,630 somebody talking in my movie about the 681 00:29:49,930 --> 00:29:47,660 orb in a he runs one of the crop circle 682 00:29:52,450 --> 00:29:49,940 groups in one of the eight counties 683 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:52,460 that's outside the main counties that 684 00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:55,970 get them and we show you a picture of a 685 00:30:00,910 --> 00:29:58,610 crop circle a field and he tells you the 686 00:30:05,050 --> 00:30:00,920 story of how the night before he was 687 00:30:08,170 --> 00:30:05,060 there watching the field out there and 688 00:30:09,820 --> 00:30:08,180 he saw this orb going across the field 689 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:09,830 now his daytime the day before he saw 690 00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:12,530 this orb going across that field and the 691 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:14,150 next day this crop circle there well 692 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:16,610 those that's not you know the only time 693 00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,930 that sort of thing has happened people 694 00:30:22,510 --> 00:30:19,760 spot the orbs and then the next day 695 00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:22,520 there's a crop circle so you wonder hmm 696 00:30:27,250 --> 00:30:25,460 is a scouting mission is that me what is 697 00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:27,260 it what's the relationship and then 698 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:29,120 there's one particular instance where I 699 00:30:33,820 --> 00:30:30,770 didn't use the footage because it's 700 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:33,830 fuzzy and you know in the movie room you 701 00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:35,770 can only go so far with fuzzy footage 702 00:30:40,450 --> 00:30:38,240 but it was shot by right one of the 703 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:40,460 people in the movie actually and when 704 00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:43,250 she would she explained what it was and 705 00:30:47,650 --> 00:30:45,140 I'm looking at this fuzzy foot oh yeah I 706 00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,660 see that there it's not in the movie but 707 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:49,520 what it is is if you can picture 708 00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:51,860 somebody standing in it she was standing 709 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:53,870 in a crop circle with her video camera 710 00:31:00,640 --> 00:30:56,690 and she's filming people walking toward 711 00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:00,650 the circle and the people do not see an 712 00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,190 orb that's over to one side so you're 713 00:31:08,740 --> 00:31:06,320 watching and on the left of what you're 714 00:31:11,980 --> 00:31:08,750 watching you see this orb coming across 715 00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,990 the screen horizontally and it's going 716 00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:14,720 to hit those people or it looks like it 717 00:31:20,620 --> 00:31:17,270 will well the people keep walking they 718 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:20,630 don't see it the orb stops the people 719 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:22,850 keep walking when the when the people 720 00:31:30,810 --> 00:31:25,810 pass the orb picks up and continues 721 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:30,820 horizontally across the screen okay okay 722 00:31:37,030 --> 00:31:33,850 now I put stuff like that on my blog 723 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:37,040 people should you know sign up for my 724 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:38,810 blog I don't I don't put out much but 725 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:40,850 everything I put out is fascinating it's 726 00:31:44,889 --> 00:31:43,130 not just about circles it's about this 727 00:31:46,989 --> 00:31:44,899 consciousness reality this 728 00:31:50,469 --> 00:31:46,999 wake up to a new world view that we are 729 00:31:53,409 --> 00:31:50,479 you know hopefully coming into my blog 730 00:31:54,879 --> 00:31:53,419 is the conversation org and people love 731 00:31:56,979 --> 00:31:54,889 being on my mailing this they love 732 00:31:59,950 --> 00:31:56,989 reading these you know anomalous sort of 733 00:32:02,079 --> 00:31:59,960 things evidence of other pneus things 734 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:02,089 that are outside the box that you know 735 00:32:06,729 --> 00:32:04,129 point us to the fact that we're in a 736 00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:06,739 bigger reality than we where you know 737 00:32:11,259 --> 00:32:09,200 our worldview is Newtonian it's all 738 00:32:13,989 --> 00:32:11,269 mechanistic it's all cause and effect 739 00:32:16,239 --> 00:32:13,999 right and wrong dualistic but science 740 00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:16,249 has actually validated a quantum reality 741 00:32:19,810 --> 00:32:18,049 and in the quantum reality everything's 742 00:32:22,779 --> 00:32:19,820 interconnected and interrelated and 743 00:32:25,869 --> 00:32:22,789 interdependent but our worldview has not 744 00:32:27,999 --> 00:32:25,879 moved over to embrace that so we're 745 00:32:30,269 --> 00:32:28,009 still stuck in this limited worldview 746 00:32:32,979 --> 00:32:30,279 which you know has given us all the good 747 00:32:35,609 --> 00:32:32,989 world of machines and whatever that 748 00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:35,619 we've got but it doesn't really include 749 00:32:41,009 --> 00:32:38,960 things like consciousness and love and 750 00:32:44,049 --> 00:32:41,019 awareness and the things that are not 751 00:32:46,690 --> 00:32:44,059 definable under microscopes you know so 752 00:32:49,899 --> 00:32:46,700 it's time for us to read you know 753 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:49,909 rethink our fundamental perspective on 754 00:32:55,779 --> 00:32:52,609 the world that we're in and you know the 755 00:32:59,529 --> 00:32:55,789 circles you know being another outside 756 00:33:02,289 --> 00:32:59,539 the box kind of thing to that that would 757 00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:02,299 be incorporating the other nuh Saul so 758 00:33:07,659 --> 00:33:05,809 of you know visitation of other 759 00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:07,669 intelligence out there science has no 760 00:33:14,109 --> 00:33:10,999 place for that so hopefully hopefully 761 00:33:15,999 --> 00:33:14,119 we're moving into a greater awareness 762 00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,009 that her circles will help us with that 763 00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:19,279 all of these things that are not fitting 764 00:33:22,749 --> 00:33:20,960 in the current reality that's how a 765 00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,759 worldview chicken worldviews change 766 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:25,039 there's too much the contradicts the 767 00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:27,529 current status quo of your worldview and 768 00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,070 then all of a sudden it turns inside out 769 00:33:35,379 --> 00:33:33,919 and you're in a bigger world view I'm 770 00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,389 interested in that sort of things a lot 771 00:33:39,729 --> 00:33:37,519 a lot of evidence of that sort of thing 772 00:33:41,739 --> 00:33:39,739 that I talk about my talk about it in my 773 00:33:43,659 --> 00:33:41,749 blog you know how are we going to get 774 00:33:46,239 --> 00:33:43,669 out of this world view and get into the 775 00:33:50,139 --> 00:33:46,249 next one before we go here we're getting 776 00:33:51,849 --> 00:33:50,149 near the end is there one thing that you 777 00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:51,859 didn't put in your movie that you wish 778 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:54,680 you had well indeed 779 00:33:59,770 --> 00:33:58,010 it actually is a formation that I was 780 00:34:05,200 --> 00:33:59,780 one of the first people in it came in 781 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:05,210 and tooth in 2001 and it was a response 782 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:07,490 presumably to a message that we sent out 783 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:10,730 into space 25 years before that to 784 00:34:16,690 --> 00:34:13,490 commemorate a telescope in Arecibo 785 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:16,700 Puerto Rico becoming the world's biggest 786 00:34:21,370 --> 00:34:18,770 telescope and Carl Sagan had a hand in 787 00:34:23,140 --> 00:34:21,380 designing a message that got sent out 788 00:34:25,390 --> 00:34:23,150 never expecting it to go anywhere you 789 00:34:27,220 --> 00:34:25,400 know the way they plant those vials of 790 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:27,230 all little evidence of what's going on 791 00:34:30,850 --> 00:34:29,330 on earth so in a million years if 792 00:34:32,410 --> 00:34:30,860 somebody digs it up they know about us 793 00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:32,420 well this was the same kind of thing we 794 00:34:37,390 --> 00:34:34,430 sent it out into space with evidence of 795 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:37,400 us and it could the way radio waves work 796 00:34:41,830 --> 00:34:39,650 don't ask me too many questions but it's 797 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:41,840 binary code and that can get translated 798 00:34:46,690 --> 00:34:44,210 into something on paper a pattern right 799 00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:46,700 and so we sent this thing out and then 800 00:34:53,890 --> 00:34:50,270 25 years later arrived in a criminal in 801 00:34:55,870 --> 00:34:53,900 a wheat field and clearly an answer to 802 00:34:57,970 --> 00:34:55,880 that because what we sent out was about 803 00:34:59,740 --> 00:34:57,980 us it was about our table of elements 804 00:35:01,540 --> 00:34:59,750 was about where third planet from the 805 00:35:03,090 --> 00:35:01,550 Sun it was about what how tall are human 806 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:03,100 beings you know all kinds of 807 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:05,690 translations and that you know they'd 808 00:35:11,530 --> 00:35:08,090 understand who we were in some basic 809 00:35:14,590 --> 00:35:11,540 ways and what came back was the the the 810 00:35:16,420 --> 00:35:14,600 evidence of them so they are about three 811 00:35:18,490 --> 00:35:16,430 feet tall they got big heads they're 812 00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:18,500 carbon-based not there there 813 00:35:24,490 --> 00:35:21,830 silicon-based not carbon-based all 814 00:35:28,210 --> 00:35:24,500 different variations on what we sent out 815 00:35:30,910 --> 00:35:28,220 and it is so fascinating nobody's ever 816 00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:30,920 claimed that to be a hoax it arrived in 817 00:35:36,220 --> 00:35:34,280 a field where a week earlier or ten days 818 00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,230 earlier we had another startling 819 00:35:39,820 --> 00:35:38,000 formation the likes of which we never 820 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:39,830 had before or after same do with this 821 00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:43,910 one which was they call it the face it 822 00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:46,220 looks like what we think of is the face 823 00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,750 on Mars which I don't think is a real 824 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:49,280 face but that's what it looks like I 825 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:51,170 don't think that was evidence I think 826 00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:53,210 that was just an accident but that's my 827 00:35:59,620 --> 00:35:56,960 opinion but so so we have this filled 828 00:36:01,150 --> 00:35:59,630 with these two astonishing circles in it 829 00:36:02,890 --> 00:36:01,160 I mean it's more about the face it was 830 00:36:04,540 --> 00:36:02,900 done in dot matrix the way they do 831 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:04,550 newspapers right when you were in that 832 00:36:08,860 --> 00:36:06,530 you got all these dots 833 00:36:10,990 --> 00:36:08,870 all these dots you had no way to know 834 00:36:13,570 --> 00:36:11,000 that it made anything you could see as a 835 00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,580 design that you'd recognize except when 836 00:36:17,290 --> 00:36:15,440 you got above it and just like in a 837 00:36:19,810 --> 00:36:17,300 newspaper if you go in with a magnifying 838 00:36:22,750 --> 00:36:19,820 glass it's all dots but obviously when 839 00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:22,760 you're looking at it you know from arm's 840 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:25,520 length it's news friend you know so 841 00:36:29,410 --> 00:36:27,770 these fascinating ones I mean you could 842 00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:29,420 do a whole film about them and in fact 843 00:36:32,770 --> 00:36:30,740 there's a whole book that's unwritten 844 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:32,780 it's a pamphlet book but it's a book 845 00:36:38,830 --> 00:36:35,450 than the list about that arecibo message 846 00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:38,840 the message that came back it's 847 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:41,000 wonderful to look at I mean some is it 848 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:43,850 really be ashamed you know to go on at 849 00:36:48,370 --> 00:36:45,890 great length about it here with people 850 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:48,380 not being able to see it because there's 851 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:50,930 a lot online about it and again I put 852 00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:54,010 that out in my blog but if you look for 853 00:36:59,260 --> 00:36:56,510 the message I bet you could even call it 854 00:37:01,450 --> 00:36:59,270 the message crop circle in a Google I'll 855 00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:01,460 bet you get it and there's lots I mean 856 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:04,910 it was really fascinating we thought 857 00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:06,170 that was going to get the world's 858 00:37:10,090 --> 00:37:08,270 attention because it came in right after 859 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:10,100 the biggest one that I've talked about 860 00:37:15,010 --> 00:37:12,410 already size of two football fields that 861 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:15,020 did get the world's attention real you 862 00:37:19,630 --> 00:37:17,570 know fascination of this is looking at 863 00:37:23,740 --> 00:37:19,640 the comparison of what we send out and 864 00:37:26,740 --> 00:37:23,750 what we got back and the CNN was there 865 00:37:29,260 --> 00:37:26,750 for the for the giant one and then i 866 00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:29,270 said i'll bet my entire fortune that 867 00:37:33,790 --> 00:37:31,430 this one is going to bust the world wide 868 00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:33,800 open not just oh it's the biggest one 869 00:37:39,460 --> 00:37:37,280 ever but ok we this is it it's the other 870 00:37:41,830 --> 00:37:39,470 pneus communicating with us they paid no 871 00:37:44,980 --> 00:37:41,840 attention roll it got no world press 872 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:44,990 whatsoever so i don't know where the 911 873 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:46,370 interfere i don't know what interfere 874 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:48,770 but that was so it's a good thing nobody 875 00:37:54,190 --> 00:37:50,450 took me up on my bed i'm telling you i 876 00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,200 would be a pupper today well you've been 877 00:37:58,030 --> 00:37:56,480 absolutely fascinating I really really 878 00:38:00,940 --> 00:37:58,040 enjoyed it thank you so much for being 879 00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:00,950 on what Martin let's send them to what 880 00:38:06,670 --> 00:38:03,110 we see my trailer at crop circle movie 881 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:06,680 calm and my irresistible offer to buy my 882 00:38:10,930 --> 00:38:09,110 DVD but just see the trailer anyway we 883 00:38:13,210 --> 00:38:10,940 want to turn everybody on the trailers 884 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:13,220 wonderful and it will turn you on to 885 00:38:17,530 --> 00:38:15,290 what are you know real mystery we have 886 00:38:19,870 --> 00:38:17,540 on our hands that's great a real 887 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:19,880 pleasure Suzanne and this is Martin will